what a rebuilt 1.8ltr 4g93 can do!

[Gunders]

Had my 4g93 1.8ltr lancer gsr motor rebuilt, had it on the 4wd dyno with just the fuel map done and no ignition timing done, first ramp on the dyno running 17-18psi it made 230kws@4wheels at 6000rpm, then the turbo shat itself :cry: With 3000rpm still to play with and a heap of timing to put in, they said 270kws was on the cards, and that was just my low boost setting. Had fullboost at 3800rpm also.

Now upgrading my turbo and will be running just over 20psi which should see 300kws@4wheels :twisted: all this from a little 1.8ltr :wink:

You 2.5ltr guys should be making a heap 8) Tomo when is your beast going to be done? :?: 8)

[Joel|RSLC|]

if they spent what you have on your 1.8 on a 2.5 they should see low 10's :lol:

[Gunders]

The motor itself was $7500 for the full rebuild, main reason why the build cost that much was all the parts had to be custom made due to the lack of interest in them :cry: if it was the 2ltr then most likely could of halved it.
Then about another $6000 or so for other accessories. plus this is a daily driver..... well when i get it back it will be

[Al]

What happened to the turbo. What turbo were you using?
Nice numbers, will it beat Joel's?

[Joel|RSLC|]

it'll flog the RS Al,

but will it beat
<----------this? :twisted:

[Gunders]

The turbo was a series 4 rx7 front cover with a 57trim front wheel, and a t28 exhaust housing with a 56trim rear wheel.

The nut that holds the front wheel on came off and chewed the crap out of the blades

[Al]

Warranty?
Had a similiar setup on my 3TGTE Celica minus the big comp wheel. Worked well.

[Gunders]

Trying to sort something out with the guy that built it. But yeah the turbo worked very good.

But i'm going another turbo, ball bearing unit this time, welding up the internal gate and putting on my external one i had from the other turbo.

[Az]

sounds like it will be the goods Gunders...

my question is- how punchy is it off boost?
If its a daily driver, most of its life will be spent off boost and in traffic... how drivible is a 300kw 1.8L?
just asking.

my criticism is- It cam make 500kw or even 600kw ATW if you want, and it will still be a mitsubishi!

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :wink:

I had a quick squiz at the shop one day with Joel, looks tidy, congrats on the numbers.

[Az]

it'll flog the RS Al,

but will it beat
<----------this? :twisted:


joel... you're going from a low 13sec car back to a 15sec car... You got some work to do! :roll:

[Gunders]

sounds like it will be the goods Gunders...

my question is- how punchy is it off boost?
If its a daily driver, most of its life will be spent off boost and in traffic... how drivible is a 300kw 1.8L?
just asking.

my criticism is- It cam make 500kw or even 600kw ATW if you want, and it will still be a mitsubishi!

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :wink:

I had a quick squiz at the shop one day with Joel, looks tidy, congrats on the numbers.

well i have really good cam shafts in it and with the new turbo being ball bearing, it should come on pretty quickly, also the mechanic was surprised at how quickly it reved out, so it shouldn't be a real dog on the street but I won't be able to tell until i get it back.

and i can't see any family car beating me joel :twisted:

[Joel|RSLC|]

time will tell gunders, remember I have the performance parts business...... :lol:

[Gunders]

time will tell gunders, remember I have the performance parts business...... :lol:


But you have to go through Mrs rsstiboy before you can do stuff to your car :lol:

So i'm safe, plus i can't see a tank getting down the 1/4 in low 11s

[Joel|RSLC|]

time will tell gunders, remember I have the performance parts business...... :lol:


But you have to go through Mrs rsstiboy before you can do stuff to your car :lol:

So i'm safe, plus i can't see a tank getting down the 1/4 in low 11s

i don't want it to do low 11's, i will be using the car as a EVERYDAY DRIVER, as long as it can keep the majority of wrx's and STi's at bay i'll be happy, plus who wants to spend all their money on a 12 year old car?

[Gunders]

Aren't rs libertys 12 yr old cars?

Plus as people say, its a hobby :lol:

[Joel|RSLC|]

Aren't rs libertys 12 yr old cars?

Plus as people say, its a hobby :lol:

why do you think I'm selling?

[Gunders]

because its a subaru :lol:

[Az]

:ban :lol:

[TOMO]

Iam happy to spend all my money on my 12 year old car :D
HOBBY-more like a DRUG :twisted: :twisted:
Well gunders sounds like you will eat me up for breakfast,lunch and dinner :roll:
I FEEL THE NEED FOR SPEED :sl
P.S. I bet you joel would off kept his car if it ran a 12 :D

[Gunders]

what is the fastest or highest power output of a wrx or rs with a 2.5ltr in it, excluding pure drag type cars eg. rigoli rex.

[goq11k]

because its a subaru :lol:

someone stop this guy :x :x

[Deaks]

someone stop this guy :x :x

Its all good dude, the jokes on him, he drives a bitsashitty remember. 300kw or not, its still a bitsashitty. Ahh the boxer rumble, and he has the truck like noise to listen to.


ps: id still have a Tommi Makinen Evo6.5 tho ;-) in black of course...but do they come in auto???? Bastards.... :evil:

[Joel|RSLC|]

because its a subaru :lol:

someone stop this guy :x :x

he's alright, hes gonna be my brother-in-law next year. he's just shit stirring, plus his car has been off the road longer than TOMO and my97hybrid put together! :lol: :shock:

[TOMO]

Sounds like we should met :sl :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
And to answear your question about the most HP from the 2.5ej257
I DONT NOW :!: :lol:
Mmmmmmmm torquey and the boxer roar sounds like a winning combo 8)

[Gunders]

yeah the boxer motor sounds alright, but i'll take the sound of my screamer pipe opening up anytime :twisted: 8)

i'm just glad my drivetrain is strong :D

[Joel|RSLC|]

you should've heard my97hybrids screamer at 26psi! boxer burble + screamer = pure horn! :twisted:

[Gunders]

you should've heard my97hybrids screamer at 26psi! boxer burble + screamer = pure horn! :twisted:

but mine wont' be all sound and no go :lol:

[Joel|RSLC|]

i think you are talking your car up a bit too much now, i reckon it would've given you a run, might even win, if the fastest 1.8 in australia only does a 11.7, don't think its gonna be bullshit quick because i guarantee you'll get beaten...

[EJ20TMAN]

yeah the boxer motor sounds alright, but i'll take the sound of my screamer pipe opening up anytime :twisted: 8)

i'm just glad my drivetrain is strong :Dcome on, a screamer pipe wont disguse the sound of a tractor !!! :lol:

[Gunders]

i think you are talking your car up a bit too much now, i reckon it would've given you a run, might even win, if the fastest 1.8 in australia only does a 11.7, don't think its gonna be bullshit quick because i guarantee you'll get beaten...

nah the fastest 1.8ltr gsr is 11.09 in australasia
fastest in australia is 11.43@124mph, and as they say, there is always someone better out there.

[paddo]

it scares me that people actually spend this much on lancers...
I'd prefer to drive what you describe as a 'tank' because in the case on an accident a tank is going absorb damage alot better than a carboard box ;)

[Az]

you should've heard my97hybrids screamer at 26psi! boxer burble + screamer = pure horn! :twisted:

but mine wont' be all sound and no go :lol:

:roll:

just remember, screamer pipes dont scream untill you get to about 20psi... anything less sounds like a LPG forklift with a hole in the muffler..
come to think of it, all mitsubishi's sound like a LPG forklift with a hole in the muffler anyway...

[Al]

what is the fastest or highest power output of a wrx or rs with a 2.5ltr in it, excluding pure drag type cars eg. rigoli rex.

Why can't "pure drag cars" be included? What do you think your car's engine would be classed as. A 230 ATW 1.8 is hardly a street spec engine.
Now all you need is a high stall auto to make it driveable on the street. :)
MY97Hybrids hybrid mark 2 will undoubtedly teach you some respect anyway. As will Tomo's. 8)

[Karupt]

Im not doubting you or anything, but do you have any copies of the dyno graphs ?

I find it very optimistic for a 4g93 to make those sort of numbers, when people with 4g63's struggle to get them...

[Gunders]

what is the fastest or highest power output of a wrx or rs with a 2.5ltr in it, excluding pure drag type cars eg. rigoli rex.

Why can't "pure drag cars" be included? What do you think your car's engine would be classed as. A 230 ATW 1.8 is hardly a street spec engine.
Now all you need is a high stall auto to make it driveable on the street. :)
MY97Hybrids hybrid mark 2 will undoubtedly teach you some respect anyway. As will Tomo's. 8)

i mean that are driven daily or atleast on the street from time to time, eg. with street fuel PULP, no Nos etc..

i'm pretty sure i'll get by with a manual gearbox, the cams are actually very good down low from what my mechanic says. hmmm 2.5ltr torque vs 1.8ltr revs (9000rpm redline), should be fun :)

I don't have the dyno graph myself, my mechanic has it at his work shop, but once its had its final tune i'll have rsstiboy scan it and load it up for you all to see 8) and before my engine build it was pulling 184kws@wheels (stock internal) on 15psi

[Al]

Who said anything about 2.5 litres? I suppose Tomo can cut his teeth on you with his 2.5 but My97Hybrid might have to weigh up whether it's worth the petrol to whup you. Maybe he could tow you down the quarter on a car trailer. You're assured of a good time then. ;)

[Az]

:sp :lol:

how did you get on with the warranty claim on the new turbo???
did you tell the it had a nut loose at the wheel? :lol:

[Gunders]

:sp :lol:

how did you get on with the warranty claim on the new turbo???
did you tell the it had a nut loose at the wheel? :lol:

apparently the turbo had compressor surge, it was just way too small for how well my motor flows, if my motor was stock internally it might have held up, its being rebuilt and sold to another customer so i will get some money back

arrhhhh i see my97hybrid is going a bit bigger then a 2.5ltr, will it be a 6cyl then? interesting :?

[Joel|RSLC|]

:sp :lol:

how did you get on with the warranty claim on the new turbo???
did you tell the it had a nut loose at the wheel? :lol:

apparently the turbo had compressor surge, it was just way too small for how well my motor flows, if my motor was stock internally it might have held up, its being rebuilt and sold to another customer so i will get some money back

arrhhhh i see my97hybrid is going a bit bigger then a 2.5ltr, will it be a 6cyl then? interesting :?

grant, compressor surge is caused by a mismatched turbo, a compressor housing that is alot larger than the exhaust housing, not by the way a motor can flow air..... don't listen to all the bullshit they feed you.....

[Az]

keep us posted!
8)

hopefully I wont have those problems with my choice of turbo..
Garretttttt GT35R 1.06ar exhaust. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Gunders]

i'm just going off what the turbo experts said, and it was just on the edge of its map on 18psi apparently, they had it sent off to the experts to see what went wrong and thats what they said. they said i would be needing a turbo with an exhaust a/r of .82 to be safe as my .5 was too small.

when the motor was stock it was fine, not a drama, put a 57trim front wheel in, up from 56trim and 1st ramp it died so i would think the way the motor is flowing would have something to do with it.


fark 1.06a/r thats HUGE :shock: i think you will be right with that :!:

[Al]

I think it is more likely that he couldn't find his 10mm spanner and then it was smoko time, you can guess the rest.
Mmmm, 1.06ar GT35 equipped xxxx engine. ;)

[Gunders]

Mmmm, 1.06ar GT35 equipped xxxx engine. ;)

will this 6 cylinder be undering going any stroking or boring out? or will it just be fitted with forged rods and pistons? head work at all, cams, port job?

you can let the cat out of the bag that its a 6 cylinder, you can let some more go :wink:

[Al]

Cats are much better in bags, it stifles there breathing and makes them much more sedate when you feed them to your dog.

As soon as Joel signs the 100% sponsorship contract the cat will be released.

[Joel|RSLC|]

Cats are much better in bags, it stifles there breathing and makes them much more sedate when you feed them to your dog.

As soon as Joel signs the 100% sponsorship contract the cat will be released.

people better start buying more shit off me before i sponsor anything :lol:

[Noodles]

anybody go to the jamboree up at queensland? there was a red WRX with a 3.2 h6 with twins :twisted: a mate of mine was up there and got some crazy fotos.....
there was a 4g63 in an early evo (fully set up for drag [interior = seat + cage] with slicks and a fibreglass nosecone). it made some bullshit number on only 14lbs.. something around 300+kW me thinks.... they planned to wind it up to 30 :shock:

[Az]

anybody go to the jamboree up at queensland? there was a red WRX with a 3.2 h6 with twins :twisted: a mate of mine was up there and got some crazy fotos.....
there was a 4g63 in an early evo (fully set up for drag [interior = seat + cage] with slicks and a fibreglass nosecone). it made some bullshit number on only 14lbs.. something around 300+kW me thinks.... they planned to wind it up to 30 :shock:

there were some crazy 4g63's there.. the weapon on the APC stand with the dry ice intercooler..

they have an interesting turbo matching theory... compressor size = wheel diameter = 1psi boost @ idle. crazy mofo's.

[Gunders]

Im not doubting you or anything, but do you have any copies of the dyno graphs ?

I find it very optimistic for a 4g93 to make those sort of numbers, when people with 4g63's struggle to get them...

This is a dyno graph before the motor was pulled out to be rebuilt, stock internally. http://image-cache.boostcruising.com/database/members/files/Gunders_GSR20040926210629pslfile1.jpg

so with 2psi more boost and head work you can see how it can make 225kws, will be getting the dyno sheet soon for it.

[DRMAT]

If anyone cbf working it out that dyno chart shows about 250hp which is approx 186kw atw.

Mat :shock:

[paddo]

so an extra 2 psi and some head work, and you made an extra 40kw atw?..? :?
o..k...

[DRMAT]

I knew you'd see the direction i was pushing for there Paddo :D

Mat :shock:

[Deaks]

Damn if all i need is 2psi more than i have now to get 40kws, im gunna have 80kws more than i did if i ever get my car back (i just dropped it off this morning). 14psi to 18psi, this could be fun :lol:

[Gunders]

Well the motor was a bit tired back then, plus it has much bigger cams then stock now plus a huge port job done, larger throttle body and adjustable cam gears etc.. so its not JUST 2psi extra.

Is it a bit clearer for you now? or is it that you just don't believe that a 1.8ltr can make that much power?

[paddo]

or is it that you just don't believe that a 1.8ltr can make that much power?

its not that i dont believe you at all...!
its just that you've posted up an old dyno sheet, not a current one...

[Deaks]

Hey you can put a damn big turbo on anything and get massive numbers, but dynos dont tell the full story.

I know my cars never run up big numbers on a dyno, but has done good times (not brilliant yet).

Id like to see it driven all day every day to see how good it is as a true street car. Big numbers dont necessarily equal a fast car. And did we mention its a Bitsashitty? :roll:

[Joel|RSLC|]

If anyone cbf working it out that dyno chart shows about 250hp which is approx 186kw atw.

Mat :shock:

its also on a 2wd dyno - so less resistance=higher output, you should have gotten a power output on a AWD dyno grant.

[Joel|RSLC|]

Hey you can put a damn big turbo on anything and get massive numbers, but dynos dont tell the full story.

I know my cars never run up big numbers on a dyno, but has done good times (not brilliant yet).

Id like to see it driven all day every day to see how good it is as a true street car. Big numbers dont necessarily equal a fast car. And did we mention its a Bitsashitty? :roll:

good drag cars don't neccesarily make good street cars, wait till you get it on the road before saying how good it is grant, you might expect one thing but get another....

[TOMO]

What your best time Gunders with the old set up :?:
Where you running it on a 4wd dyno when it spat out that
230 odd KW ATW :?: :lol: :lol:

[Gunders]

If anyone cbf working it out that dyno chart shows about 250hp which is approx 186kw atw.

Mat :shock:

its also on a 2wd dyno - so less resistance=higher output, you should have gotten a power output on a AWD dyno grant.

funny thing is on the 2wd dyno it made 262hp, then on the 4wd dyno it pumped out 300hp without touching a thing! so your theory doesn't exactly work, plus the dyno dynamics ppl did a test with a wrx, and it put out more power on a 4wd dyno then it did on a 2wd dyno so go figure, it was done on the same day, thats all the details i know so don't ask any questions.

mercury motorsports is where it pumped out 225kws, a brand new 4wd dyno. never ran it down the 1/4 with the old setup.

and yes, only time will tell if the numbers can be backed up on the strip, and it will be my daily driver, driven too and from work and any other trips i make and lag just makes for good fuel economy :?

Bitsashitty, i haven't heard that one before :roll:

[Joel|RSLC|]

time will tell, i hope it comes up all that you expect and more

[TOMO]

I will run you out at the drags :?: :twisted: :roll:
LIBERTY VS GSR :TUP

[Gunders]

sounds good to me tomo, i can't afford to get done by the hoon squad again so all my racing will have to be on the strip.

[EJ20TMAN]

If anyone cbf working it out that dyno chart shows about 250hp which is approx 186kw atw.

Mat :shock:

its also on a 2wd dyno - so less resistance=higher output, you should have gotten a power output on a AWD dyno grant.

funny thing is on the 2wd dyno it made 262hp, then on the 4wd dyno it pumped out 300hp without touching a thing! so your theory doesn't exactly work, plus the dyno dynamics ppl did a test with a wrx, and it put out more power on a 4wd dyno then it did on a 2wd dyno so go figure, it was done on the same day, thats all the details i know so don't ask any questions.

mercury motorsports is where it pumped out 225kws, a brand new 4wd dyno. never ran it down the 1/4 with the old setup.

and yes, only time will tell if the numbers can be backed up on the strip, and it will be my daily driver, driven too and from work and any other trips i make and lag just makes for good fuel economy :?

Bitsashitty, i haven't heard that one before :roll: What interests me is how did they run a WRX (im assuming its manual) on a 2WD dyno. and the only way you could record a higher power figure on the 4WD is if on the 2WD you had wheel spin. Another note my next door nighbour and nemisis :evil: evo 2 is pretty much complete and just last week bought and fitted his turbonetics T70!!! coupled with motec M4, full HKS bottom end (still 2ltrs) huge IC, stupid cams (dont come on power till around 6000rpm) huge nos set up and 28psi boost. I went for a ride thrusday nite at 20 psi and its just stupid fast. 0-200k in no time. its set up well as the cams and turbo come on at the same time and you just get a smack in the back all the way to 9k