i busted my gearbox HAHAHA

[B-rad]

hahah some of the tassie boys might think it was only a matter of time? well it wasnt a launch that killed it!

anyway story goes im driving along at 60 in 3rd gear midning my own business, had been cruising along for about a km and then i hear a bad noise, so i changed to 4th, nice and slow, and it was all good again, so i changed it slowly back to third thinking it may have been a chipped tooth? so slid it back into third, and coasted along and the whine was back, i was just about to put it back to 2nd and pull over when BANG there she blows rattle rattle thud thud ratte rattle thud thud. dont you hate that noise!

so i drove it home (about 40km) and parked it n forgot about it. i wanted to put my mind at ease b4 i spend lots of $$ on beer in canberra so i got home about 4pm n decided i wanted to see what the problem was. had the box out and split in a bit over an hour n a half with limited tools.

im getting another 3rd n 4th friday (thanks jaz) and hopefully have it back togeter the day after i get back from canberra! she'll be back in action i no time!

here are some pics, the annoying thing is i wasnt doing anything bad at the time and hadnt launched or done anything silly all day! thats how it seems to happen eh ollie2?

the culprit, chipped tooth!
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/bradisalegend/THECULPRIT.jpg
the damage, lots of missing teeth!
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/bradisalegend/whoops.jpg
the end result, car is on jackstands and sleeping while im at ROC
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/bradisalegend/bonnetup.jpg

[BJM]

I guess those spare boxes will come in handy after all ;)

Give me a yell when you're back and I might come out for a look see...

[B-rad]

rightio will do mate! yeah they will, only the spare i purchased off ian has the same gears busted!! have to use bits from the spare rs box jaz is picking me up on friday!

[naif]

haha damn brad. dont you hate how its only a chip out of one tooth?

also did you notice 3rd gear is the narrowest gear out of all of them?

[B-rad]

yeah it sux naif, i just laughed when it happened, its not a big deal for me to fix it and i wont be out of pocket but it seems weird to just chip it like that when i wasnt going hard, last time i flat changed 3rd was about a wek ago so i think its just one of thsoe random things? anyway ill be putting the new synchros in now i have the box out and apart so she'll be fresh

you broke third too didnt you? were you thrashing it?

[Reggy]

thats not broken

this is broken

http://www.carnageperformance.com/gallery/albums/upload/DSCN0404.jpg

[simeon]

Welcome to the Club. well done :-)

[smoov]

thats not broken

this is broken

http://www.carnageperformance.com/gallery/albums/upload/DSCN0404.jpg
that's not broken.

that's reggineered. :)

sorry to hear about your woes, brad :(
glad you can sort it without too much grief! :)

[rs guy]

hahaha reggineered :P gold

sorry to hear that brad
least its not costing you
to much to get fixed :D:tu

[Reggy]

That was patent pending

it was only the first one :P :P

[Raz]

All these ppl that break boxes...sheesh, I dunno!

[grug]

Ok Mr Raz-a-i-never-broken-a-box, gimme your new gear as you clearly dont need it:D

Brad... its the way it shatters that matters, and when your not doing anything to provoke something bad happens, its just a major let down... of sorts.

PS. Im just pissing myself laughing at 'Reggineered '.

[Rob]

bad luck mate, it WAS only a matter of time though!! probably all the hard 5th - 3rd downchanges for overtaking that did it.

At least i know a good mechanic for if something goes wrong in mine!!

[mitch]

You suck brad, I bet the missus wasn't happy! Cya in the arvo :wink:

[BJM]

I've had my spies out and they just snapped this picture of Brad rebuilding his "new gearbox"....

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/bjm374/subaru_gearbox03s.jpg

clicky (http://car.kak.net/News-article-sid-1711.html)

[B-rad]

hahahah GOLD! i WISH!!

[Hodgey]

Bad luck mate. I'm as amazed as your are that it wasn't one of the other gears. When i saw the title for the thread I thought you were going to say you broke 1st or second, considering they're the ones that you give the most kaining too hahaha

At least its not gonna cost you much mate.

[Rob]

nice brent
75000 pounds each, i'll take two!!

[mitch]

75,000.00 GBP = 180,140.44 AUD , I am sure mechanic's wages will get that for you mate! :P

[B-rad]

shoulda said, slapped new 3rd n 4th in on tuesday night after work, put box back together and put it back in, was launching by tuesday night, ahh box has never felt better! and it cost me $24 in gearbox oil what a bastard haha

[Jaz]

I think I speak for all of us when I say...


mother f***er...

:P




You forgot to add in the price of corona's too tho :wink:

[B-rad]

OH and $20.49 for jaz to get me the 3rd n 4th! forgot about that. but i was hoping i would be offered a 6 pack in retun for installing his afm but nup thats no longer happening aye jaz. what are you doing with the spacer plate from your td06 jazza? could come in handy for my twisted setup:D

[Jaz]

You can have it for the price I paid for it :wink:

Its now 40mm if you want it!

[B-rad]

and by the price you paid for it you mean free? surely laurie milled it up for you!? suhweet, maybe ill just borrow it for r and d. new turbo will be here next week and i thought i may aswell do new hot side pipe, twisted setup, new intake and modded dump pipe while im at it, i do have a spare car after all

[Jaz]

Nope, I got a different crew to make it up - L doesn't have the right gear/time to get it spot on for what I needed... He milled it down from 60 to 40 for me tho :wink:

Anyhoo... I'll stop whoring your thread now...

[B-rad]

nah its ok, ill just borrow it for now jaz, modifying the up pipe tomorrow so ill come get it once you get the 06 back off

[Andrew]

well.. my gearbox busted tuesday morning. long story.. just near the liberty servo legana.. lost 1st and 2nd. still have 3rd, 4th, 5th and reverse.. have box out now.. planing to take it into work on sat to see the damage.. got any spare bits anyone?.. I here suby boxes are dear to fix.. lol.. **** happens i guess.

[Raz]

It was only a matter of time...

[Andrew]

Whats that ment to mean haha ? i dont treat it hard.. gets very well looked after..

[Raz]

ohhhh yeah suuuure it does...!
better to say that it WAS well looked after!!

Told phil what happened and he cant believe it!

Anyway...hurry the flug up and get it fixored ready for the cruise next month. Runs are on!

[Andrew]

whatever you recon.. first time i ever got second gear quick cause i was in a hurry and pissed of casue a smart arse in a skyline was right up my arse coming down my road... these gearboxes are ment to be strong? load of ****. i believe that its had abuse in the past. and i've cought the gear at its weakess point.. so some of the mechanics at work recon.. i'm preaty unlucky.

well with getting it fixed in time? might have to see.. second gear is missing all its teeth on the mainshaft. meaning it needs a new mainshaft and second gear on the cluster shaft is also bugged.. plus set of synchros and mabey a bearing or two.. price parts up at work next week.. might go down the secondhand path yet.. if its to expensive.

think what u like but this car is treated like a baby, gets cleaned every sunday for 2hours. and lives in a shed... :D

[Jaz]

Its good that your looking after it mate! Dunno who told you they're supposed to have strong boxes though... early (and most) subaru's are known for the "glass gearboxes". 15 years behind a turbo motor is enough to make most RS gearboxes want to pack it in. You're better off investing in a later model box that has duel synchros, that way it'll be harder to break!

[Raz]

Careful tiger...no need to get defensive!

Firstly, Subaru 5 speed gearboxes (esp the earlier ones) are known for their inherit weaknesses once power levels go beyond stock and when given a hard time. Im surprised that working at Subaru you didnt know about this fact.
2nd gear is the also the first most likely to break if a fast hard change from 1st is made...it appears that this has been the case here.


i believe that its had abuse in the past
Woooooaahhh that IS a long bow to draw!! What makes you think that??! Seriously??
I can most definately assure you that this is NOT the case as I and a few others from Tassie on here know the history and previous owners quite well.



think what u like but this car is treated like a baby, gets cleaned every sunday for 2hours. and lives in a shed... :D
Look I dont want to be personal, and dont want to turn you away from this club...but mate, you already have given yourself a bit of a reputation amongst the local Lonnie car fraternity. My better half is also on the warpath towards a certain white RS sedan that nearly mowed her and the pram down in York St. Need a say more?!!

The Tassie crew are a tight knit bunch and we get along very well with each other. I would hope that you could fit into our way...

Unless you get a fantastic deal from Subaru, I will go out on a limb right now and say forget about repairing your GB with new genuine parts. Source 2nd hand parts to suit...there are plenty avail remembering you can fit later model gears...or swap the entire box over for a later model 3.9 box or 4:11 box. If you go to a 4:11 box you will also need to swap the rear diff over also. Remember also that different year boxes had male and female drive shafts. This can be got around tho.

[Bazza]

LOL my car gets treated like a baby, cleaned every week, only driven on weekends and oil changed every 5000 kms.... still suffers from lots of 8000 rpm launches :P :P :P

You will still break a later model box... the dual syncros just make gear shifting easier... the gears themselves need to be PPG'd :) Ride a pushy for 3 months and save up :)

[Andrew]

thanks for the talk raz?? with the reputation thing tho, didn't really no what you getting at? since i've done nothing wrong, and almost runing people over in town? i would remember if that had happend.. i'm not a crazy suby driver, that launches of the lights in the middle of town.. with this "white rs sedan" that keeps geting mentioned.. i think your pointing the finger at the wrong person, becasue i have seen another white rs in launie, came into work, looks similar to mine... he did drive it hard as he left the driveway.

was looking into a v3 sti box ? anyone no if this will fit to the rs ? with no changes?

what should i be looking out for ? there is a couple for sale in the "for sale" section.

Thanks.

[mitch]

was looking into a v3 sti box ? anyone no if this will fit to the rs ? with no changes?


its a 4.44 ratio box, so you will need a matching diff and drive shafts :)

[Hodgey]

was looking into a v3 sti box ? anyone no if this will fit to the rs ? with no changes?

what should i be looking out for ? there is a couple for sale in the "for sale" section.

Thanks.

I'll stay out of the little tussle, but FYI andrew:

V3 STi/GTB gearboxes are said to be the strongest of the 4 bolt casing gearboxes. WHen you move into V5 the casing style changes to 8 bolt, which requires a stud to be tapped in if you're going to use your RS starter motor.

Basically, the V3 STi box, as mitch has said, is a 4.44 Final Drive ratio box, so you will need the matching diff ratio. If you use an R180 (STi) rear diff, you will need the matching rear drive shafts as they're more heavy duty items.

For reliability, I've not heard of anyone breaking a V3/4 STi gearbox (NOTE - Grug did break a V3 STi RA Gearset, but that was not in its original gearbox, it was in an RS Casing AFAIK). Billsy has this gearbox in his GTB, and he seems to love launching it here and there.

CHeers

[Andrew]

thanks for the info.. much appretiated

[Bazza]

There are a few broken STI boxes on MRT forums.

Unless its 6 speed STI you can break it.

[Raz]

okokok for the sake of harmony, Ill back down. But Ill will say just this...The "certain white RS sedan" was you and there is no doubt about it. I was there. I know the car. I saw it.

I am also well tuned to the usual late night carpark talk about town, hence my comments about reputation. But that being said I beleive you need the opportunity to meet us all and allow us to make our own opinions. I for one am an easy going bloke...specially with a load of Jamesons on board, eh Deef! Just keep what I have said in mind in the future...and stay clear of my Mrs...for your own sake!! lol

I think you need to decide on how much you can spend as far as this repair goes. The simplest and easiest fix really will be to buy a 2nd hand 3.9 rex box and slot it straight in. If you treat it right you will get years of good service...AND still be able to drive spiritedly!! While I now have 4:11 ratios in my car, the gearset is still (apparantly!) OEM standard from a Legacy. Now this GB has given me faithfull service and suffers more than it fair share of high rpm launches. Bazza and Tas ppl can attest to this. I run mid to low 12's down the 1/4 mile with the best being a 12 flat. That required a 7000rpm launch. My point here is tho, that you can make a stock box last. If you want a cheaper fix then go down this route. I would think you could get away with a replacement box for around the 1K mark if you look around.

If you want to upgrade then start saving for a minimum of 3.5K for a 2nd hand helical or straight cut box from PPG/PAR.

You could also spent the same amount and buy brand new helical/straight cut 1/2 gears from PPG/PAR.

You then step up to 5-6K for either
1-4 PPG/PAR helical or straight cut box
or non DCCD 6 speed Subaru box.

If you have a lazy 6.5 K laying around I might be able to sort you out with a DCCD 6 speed from an 03 STi. You will need to source a new flywheel and clutch, and the DCCD controller.

[B-rad]

jesus andrew, you must have dropped the clutch. jus as well it was showing a skyline up.

you stripped every tooth of the input shaft?! must have gone off with a bang, its a wonder mum didnt think there was an armed robbery going on at the servo when you smashed that!

if it had been thrashed and had a stress fracture i dare say that by now you would have given it a squirt in second gear, and normally they just loose a tooth while driving like my box did not munch every tooth off in one go!!

RS boxes are very soft and second gear is always the one, it not so much a fast change but what you do with the clutch that pops the gear, do you have a HD clutch?

dont buy a ver3 box, waste of money IMHO. for 3500 you could put ppg helicals 1-2 and then save for 3 n 4, its the final drive ratio that makes them that little bit stronger

if you reckon you dont drive spiritedly then call ichiban importers, they quoted my 1100 to my door for a gearbox same as whats in mine just a few weeks ago so this would probly be cheaper than the mainshaft from subaru genuine. if you do get one from them get a tt manual or a 94 onwards wrx box as they are dual synchro and arent as knotchy

or i do know someone with an rs input shaft, he would normally want a left kidney for it but a liver would probly be more beneficial after last saturday night out on the town.

(hahahahahaha not as bad as ROC tho eh Brad Lee?!!!! :P :P - Raz)

[simeon]

I broke a box a while ago as every one knows and in my opinion DO NOT bother buying standard replacement bits. I spend a little over 2G fixing my box back to slightly better than standard. If i had the time and money over again i would probably either spoend the $$ and get someing awsome or run the risk and buy a cheaper box for around 1k with the opinion of if i brake another ohwell. What im trying so say really is for what i ended up paying it wasnt worth what i got(Not baging out the work either), sure the box changes well and all, but my driving is getting more spirted by the day and with every launch that redline seems to be getting closer and closer. ;-) my 2c.

[philbio]

Bad luck on the breakage Andrew. i guess time had taken it's toll!

In regards to what MY96LibertyT was saying, I had an Sti equivalent Daiken clutch put in it. The old one was still ok, but it had done around 155,000 clicks, so it was shuddering too much and would slip a little under boost. There was still quit a bit of meat left on it, but it wasn't ideal and was annoying me, especially given it was putting out quite a bit more power than standard. I guess the clutch could have been a big factor in the breakage given you were changing into second at the time and not launching it?

[grug]

Andrew: this might be helpful to you :tu

http://www.rslibertyclub.org/forums/showthread.php?p=760894#post760894

Road frieght is by far the cheapest :wink:

[B-rad]

andrew, just got home and looked at the rs mainshaft i have, some funky markings on one of the teeth on first gear so probly not any use to you. but if your gonna try and do it on the cheap and just get second gear for the cluster, you can have it.
have you priced up the bits you need from work yet?
i reckon ichiban is the go-er, 1100 with a warranty you cant go wrong

[Andrew]

Thanks for all the help boys..
haha yeh it was a big bang. i thought the gears went flying onto the road.. well thats what it sounded like

yeh its a HD clutch.. and i was just changing into gear, and not launching it lol .

that place with the boxes with warranty sounds good.. hows your box going brad ? any problems?

heres the prices i got from work today.. they are retail atm.. but boss in parts said he could take a bit off for me. what do u guys think?
these are all the parts needed to fix the gearbox correctly....

1st gear $154, 1st/2nd hub assembly $204.. 2nd gear $163, full set of synchros. $150, drive pinion shaft bearing $239, 3 nuts $72, gasket x2 $9.75, Mainshaft $381, mainshaft bearing $139, reverse idler gear $88.35

theres the list.. some of the gears you might be thinking why? since there not broken, but.. since the mainshaft needs to be replace, its best to replace the gears Associated with it.. there like a matching pair. like a crown wheel to a pinion.. and for those to expensive bearings, when pressing them off it casues stress so if they were re used. the box would be noisey..anyways yous proberbly areadly knew this stuff...

Cheers

[grug]

Personally I would deffinatly NOT go with new identical gears because at the end of the day, like others have said, you may be back on the road, but the same thing may happen again - tomorrow or in 20 years time.

Find a box that is strong (late 90's TT Legacy) or get a strong gearset.

[B-rad]

haha andrew.... please tell me your not even gonna bother with that nonsense!

a later model 4.11 model box will be an upgrade, if you reckon you didnt change hard when ya busted it then chances are thats about all its gonna take to bust another one so dont take the risk!!

reverse is way way overkill as its stright cut anyway so its gonna be noisey!!
the bearings well yes you should probly change them but if you were ona budget then if you press them properly they will keep, mine arent noisey but i didnt care i just wanted it back on the road. You can get away with matching old with new gears but not second hand with second hand as then chances are its gonne be noisey.

the gears arent matched pairs, its just they are quiet when they wear in together, if you put two olds together and they both have formed a different shape then they make a racket, but you could use your second hand first now worries.

but really, 1600 is alot of money for something no stronger than what you had before aye, youve felt the caining i gave mine for over a year and it loved it long time untill i started treating it good then it fell apart haha but thats always the way
give these guys a call tomorrow andrew, best prices in town (well they are in NSW but freight is very resonable) i reckon youd have no trouble getting a 4.11 rear diff for one of those!?

Phone
(02) 9600 7066

and get prices and gearbox codes off the boxes they have available, then look up if they are dual synchro or not, it doent matter a huge deal but may aswell suss out the best box if they are all the same price.

oh n my box has never been better haha

[Andrew]

i see , i see. thanks brad for the heads up haha !. well i was planing the rebuild option.. but i think u have changed my mined. but i do see were your getting at.. and will be doing the reaserch on the types as y suggested.. i do have a 4.44 lsd at home. and 2 single spinners.

i'll give those dudes a call sometime soon.. just sent them an email.. also have contact a guy on this forum with a 94 wrx box 80,000klm. which comes with 4.11 diff and 4 drive shafts with new cv boots.. for $1000 o.n.o hmm mabey sounds too cheap ?. anyways thanks once again.. let yous no what the outcome is. :wink:

[B-rad]

haha yeah thats reggy's gearbox, i was in the car about 3 weeks ago, its not too cheap to be true and it wasnt noisey that i could hear so that could be a good option aswell, would be the same price as the ichiban gearbox but with rear diff n driveshafts.

call ichiban dont email them its simpler and quicker

[scrim]

can also vouch for ichiban, dealt with them just recently.. good prices and quick delivery! very happy with them :D

Also andrew, Does your rs have a canon and a BOV? I think i saw one going through town the other day, looked nice :cool:

[Andrew]

thanks scrim.. might of been? mine has a muffler. and the factory plumb back..

[scrim]

yeah could have been you, not really sure though. See you on the road soon :tu