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    Default Stock suspension - worth getting strut brace?

    Hi all,

    My Liberty has completely stock suspension at the moment (springs and shocks) - and I'm not planning on upgrading/lowering - as my driveway is pretty bad and if I lowered it I'd probably have to park the car out on the street!

    However, I want to improve the handling a bit (less body roll) - would it be worth getting strut braces (front and rear) and maybe sway bars? Would these improve the handling even with stock springs and shocks?

    Would I need to go for a rear strut brace? (do they even fit sedans?) - or do most people only go for the front?

    What about sway bars? Are these well worth the extra expense, or would there be little noticeable difference in handling/body roll?

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    Wouldn't even worry about strut braces in the sedan for now - they won't do a hell of a lot, especially as you aren't putting the power to the ground like some of these guys.

    Sway bars on the other hand will be an awesome package - theres quite a few threads in technical that you can check out, but I think that the general consensus is to have a thick one in the rear (your case maybe 20 -22mm?), and maybe an RS one in the front, or a 19mm wrx one if you can track it down. Also track down stronger links - the Whiteline steel ones are good, not worth paying the extra for the alloy ones imo.

    And once you've done the sway bars/links, then a Whiteline Anti-Lift Kit (ALK) will be a good extra too... some reading on that in technical too.

    I'd suggest trying out the search function a bit on these forums... can be damn useful!
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    Hey Kim...

    As Jaz said swaybars are great upgrades and a 19mm GT fozzie one will slot straight in where a wrx one will, i just happen to know someone who's got one!!

    Also as you're on GTrydaz too, check out the Whiteline/ Noltec Group Buy section we have going. it's a constant group buy that's always running
    From that i got my Strut Braces for about $100 LESS than retail i could get in Hobart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaz
    I'd suggest trying out the search function a bit on these forums... can be damn useful!
    Will do! Searched for "strut braces" and found a few things - but nothing that answered my questions. Will look at sway bars now!

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbks
    a 19mm GT fozzie one will slot straight in where a wrx one will, i just happen to know someone who's got one!!
    One for sale?

    Will check out the GTrydaz group buy too. Ta!

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    How about some stock height king springs, they are much stiffer and you will still be able to get up your driveway! Combine them with RS shocks and you will have a winner.
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    I was going to suggest some late model sti springs, they can be had for $100 delivered a set now, and all you need is rear strut tops to make them adapt to the RS.
    There umpteen times better than most aftermarket springs, and they keep factory height.
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    Don't underestimate the value of good quality shock absorbers, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dja
    I was going to suggest some late model sti springs, they can be had for $100 delivered a set now, and all you need is rear strut tops to make them adapt to the RS.
    There umpteen times better than most aftermarket springs, and they keep factory height.
    What do strut tops roughly cost? (n00bie question - do strut tops affect insurance/compliance?)

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    get a rear set for $50 tops.
    Of for about $400, you can get sti suspension(struts and springs) dollar for dollar it is without a doubt the best handling mod you can do to your car.
    I run 04sti suspension/struts, and the only thing that doesnt bolt up direct to the RS is the rear strut tops(you re-use your own). It maintains stock height, but its very stiff, and reacts well on the road.
    just my 2c mate... there are always cheaper options
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    Ahh ok, maybe that's the way to go. And this would apply to the non-RS? (I have a standard 1991 Liberty Heritage AWD).

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    yarp, if you put sti suspension in be warned its stiff, but far superior to kings etc mate.
    And it will make your car very nice to drive through the twisties at a legal speed limit, of course.
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    Would the STI springs be quite a bit lower than the standard Liberty springs?

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    Kim , i can certainly say if you can get a set of roughly 2004 Sti suspension gear, jump on it .. as dja says its definatly well worth it , i used to have the same in my car when it was non turbo and i had so much fun with the setup .. i do admit that i miss it , i have king lows with 2 dud shocks and its like driving a boat ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dja
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    I run 04sti suspension/struts, and the only thing that doesnt bolt up direct to the RS is the rear strut tops(you re-use your own). It maintains stock height, but its very stiff, and reacts well on the road.
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    looks like they sit about stock height
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    Ah, cool - missed that How stiff is "very stiff" - I don't want it to become too uncomfortable on bumpy roads/speed humps...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim
    Ah, cool - missed that How stiff is "very stiff" - I don't want it to become too uncomfortable on bumpy roads/speed humps...
    As far as i know, they are stiff, but still comfortable enough. they're not as harsh as coilovers are if thats what you were gauging against...
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    I wonder if these ones being sold at the moment would suit:
    http://www.rslibertyclub.org/forums/...ad.php?t=70587

    "Full set of STi Version 2 struts and springs . $300
    http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...n/DSC03180.jpg"

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    The above are 1996 STI struts and springs. I'm guessing these would fit without any problems? (found in the tech section that 1998 ones do - not sure about 96 tho?

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    Yep, should fit without any real problems... provided they are from a sedan?
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    yer id go with dja's suggestion, i have wrx shocks (gc8) and king super lows, and its so bumpy its stupid

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    Would these fit the Gen1 series2 AWD sedan? eBay Link

    Or would these ones? eBay link

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    Mate, forget it. get the struts.
    This will get my flamed, but for a GX the sti gear alone is almost overkill.
    Once you have the suspension, then maybe get your self a tower brace.
    youll flip at the change in ride quality mate.
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    Also the day after I installed a strut brace, my motor decided enough was enough, so I'd advise against a strut brace because it causes low compression.

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